Posts by bats in the belfry

jw leaks has published the 17 page official transcript of the appearance by watchtower bible and tract society of australia and jehovah's witnesses before the "inquiry into the handling of child abuse by religious and other organisations" conducted on 11 april 2013 in victoria, australia.. http://jwleaks.org/australia/.

quote from rachel van witsen, legal counsel for watchtower bible and tract society of australia and jehovah's witnesses, in reply to who is responsible for reporting child abuse within the religion of jehovah's witnesses... .

ms van witsen at the moment, because there is no mandatory reporting for ministers of religion in victoria, then the victim, who has very often had their dignity removed, is then put in the drivers seat.. .

bats in the belfry

Mr D. O’BRIEN — I just want you to be very clear. Although we have not sworn you in, obviously you are aware of the contempt. I am not wanting to have a go at you. I am trying to recall what you said. I thought you said that you were aware of some in stances where the child did not want to report it to police. I am not necessarily going to put you on the spot here; I just would like to know if that is what you said and if that is the situation.

Mr D. O’Brien (Member of Committee) commenting on Mr T. O’Brien (Director of Society and Acting Branch Coordinator)

It is sad to see how they hold in contempt the 'superior authorites' in all of this (Romans 13:1). So much so, even the 'superior authorites' notice it.

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GATED COMMUNITIES IN PUERTO RICO: ACCESS CODES and REMOTES must be provided to the WATCHTOWER CORPORATION by APRIL 23, 2013...

by Calebs Airplane in

this case is in it's 9th year an has been touched upon briefly on and off.. the latest from the federal court is that all gated communites in puerto rico have until april 23 to provide the watchtower corporation full access.... this means the entry code or remote control devices that open the front fence.. this is clearly an act of provocation in order to create "pseudo-persecution" thereby increasing fs hours and "voluntary donations"....

bats in the belfry

. . . gated communities are perhaps the last resort of the WTBTS to squeeze money out of somewhat affluent people.

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Does The Governing Body Have The Same Courage As J F Rutherford And Admit: They Made An Ass Out Of Themselves By Thier Bible Interpetation?

by frankiespeakin in

(the watchtower, october 1, 1984, p. 24).

...resurrected in 1925 to rule as princes over the earth.

(millions now living will never die, 1920, pp.

bats in the belfry

frankiespeakin >> Sorry, presently I am speed reading. It flew right by me.

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Does The Governing Body Have The Same Courage As J F Rutherford And Admit: They Made An Ass Out Of Themselves By Thier Bible Interpetation?

by frankiespeakin in

(the watchtower, october 1, 1984, p. 24).

...resurrected in 1925 to rule as princes over the earth.

(millions now living will never die, 1920, pp.

bats in the belfry

In the article ‘Jehovah Has Dealt Rewardingly With Me’, as told by Karl F. Klein, he mentioned J.F. Rutherford's remarks.

[Footnotes]

Regarding his misguided statements as to what we could expect in 1925, he once confessed to us at Bethel, “I made an ass of myself.”

w84 10/1 p. 24

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Are you more ecological, more economical or more wasteful? Did your habits change at all when you left the borg?

by likeabird in

jw
friends

i know from living on a borg budget, you don't have much choice but to live economically.

recycling, while ecological, can also be a form of economy.. did the verse "god will bring to ruin those ruining the earth" play a guilt factor in your ecological habits?

i know it used to hum along in the back of my mind.. did any of your habits change when you left the borg?

bats in the belfry

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new light on FDS and 1914

by inbetween in

the society claims now, that before 1914/1919 there was no fds, this means also, russel was not part of it, he was not the channel from god.. then the calculation for 1914, which russel made popular and promoted, was done in a time, when god revealed actually nothing, does this prepare the way to finally dump 1914 chronology ?

approaching the 100 year anniversary for christs supposed rulership, it becomes anyway more and more ridicolous.. i know, some argue 1914 is essential for their being chosen 1919, but now they say, they are somehow not appointed over the belongings yet, so also this aspect looses significance.

and the inspection of the temple can begin anytime anyway, it was convinient to link it to 1914 but i think its not really necessary.

bats in the belfry

Yep, they're getting ready to remove most of the dates they ever believed in. Take a look at the first chart, under the heading The Last Days.

It used to be:

1.) one generation, then

2.) two-generations (overlapping)

Now they seem to be pushing for 3.) "The Last Days of unknown length"

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No more big District Conventions?

by serenitynow! in

so i went to the hall today for a funeral and took a look at the bulletin board.

i was surprised to see a letter stating the dc for michigan would be held at the local assembly hall instead of the big convention center in ohio where it had been held the past few years.

have you all heard about this?.

bats in the belfry

Bulletin Board? What bulletin?

One of the first bulletin ever:

On October 31, 1517, Martin Luther nailed to the church door at Wittenberg 95 theses (protests) exposing wrong teachings of the church.

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Under the New Light, Where is the Continuity?

by Ding in

under the old light, from 33 ce onward, there was always an anointed remnant on earth, and these constituted the faithful and discreet slave class whom jesus had appointed over his domestics to give them spiritual meat in due season.. but the new light is that the "anointed" were not the faithful and discreet slave after all.. in fact, according to the new light, jesus did not appoint anyone as faithful and discreet slave over his domestics until 1919 (not even the apostles or russell).. so according to the new light, who or what was jehovah's visible organization from the death of the apostles until 1919?.

who was authorized to provide spiritual food in due season?.

where is the continuity?.

bats in the belfry

The Searcher >>

Who would replace that 'servant' later on as God's collective 'servant'? "The Israel of God". (Galatians 6:16: Matthew 21:43) Who are the Israel of God? All those who were reconciled by faith in Christ.

So everyone is a steward or slave and each one has the option of being faithful & discreet, or evil. There are no 'classes' - it's ONE flock!

Exactly! The WTBTS just worded it differently:

"However, Christians who have truly received this anointing do not demand special attention. They do not believe that their being of the anointed gives them special insights beyond what even some experienced members of the “great crowd” may have. (Rev. 7:9) They do not believe that they necessarily have more holy spirit than their companions of the “other sheep” have. (John 10:16)"

w09 6/15 p. 23 par. 15

Then I beg the question: After all, why follow them?